to what extent has the growth of the "fade" been facilitated by internet forums such as this?
sure there were people who chose to fade in the pre-internet era, simply by withdrawing themselves, gradually involving themselves with non-witnesses to a greater extent, or getting in touch with other ex-witnesses covertly through the convention system/telephone and mailing support network that used to be more important before the advent of the internet.
so the "fade" is not an invention of the internet era, not en entirely "new phenomenon".
Welcome to the board becca!!!
You sound just like me(and a lot of other posters) when I first came across this website. Very afraid, very cautious, I lurked for months before I had the nerve to register and then (gasp!) post.
I wouldn't worry too much about being found out, unless you post something obviously incriminating about yourself.
Good luck on the fade.
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personally: i agree 100%.
http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/index.htm.
wac
I think its a pretty lame video.
If it walks like a duck...
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tv
tv news
weekly world news
Look at the source: Weekly World News.
For those of you not from the U.S.A, WWN is a grocery store tabloid that usually focuses on stories like:
COMPANY OFFERS SPACE ALIEN INVASION INSURANCE!
CONGRESSMAN DISMISSED FOR WEARING SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS COSTUME!
ALIEN BIBLE TRANSLATED!
Extraterrestrials follow the teachings of Oprah WinfreyBUSH THRILLED TO BE READING AT 6TH GRADE LEVEL AND IT'S ABOUT TIME!
ALIENS USING E-MAIL TO SEDUCE EARTH WOMEN
Aliens have tapped into our Internet connectionsPOWERFUL EARTHQUAKE WILL LEAVE CALIFORNIA STANDING
A DEVASTATING earthquake will strike California in the next five to ten years -- with a force so powerful it will plunge the rest of the country into the sea, and leave the Golden State intact, experts say.
TODDLER PSYCHIC!
3-year-old predicts future with shocking accuracy!
BIBLE'S 4 HORSEMEN ASK FOR DIRECTIONS IN PARIS
PARIS - A funny thing happened on the way to Doomsday - theFour Horsemen of the Apocalypse got lost and had to ask for directions!
You get the idea...
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looks like the wt is trying to instill diligence/greater caution within the rank and file who drive.
http://i75.imagethrust.com/images/2azn/view-image/question-from-readers-sept-15%2c-2006-wt.html
Wow, that article is so rediculous on so many levels. I don't even know where to start. The whole "community bloodguilt" concept!?!? The idea of the elders second-guessing what a legal court may decide? Yeah cause these window washers will be much better at determining whether the driver was negligent or not. And then how will they proceed?
Will there be a phone call, like this:
ring!!!Other driver: hello?
elder: Hello there Mr. Smith, I'm brother Dumas from the local Kingdom Hall, I understand you were involved in a traffic accident with a member of our congregation, brother Clueless
Other driver: yeah the sumnabitch killed my wife!!
elder: Well, you see, even though the courts have determined that our poor brother was negligent, we, as a congregation, are looking into the matter to determine if he is bloodguilty before Jeehover. We would like to know if you could attend our judicial meeting to testify?
Other driver: your what? Testify? judicial what? Look, all I know is you better tell that mo$%@%F^$$# if I ever catch him, he better start praying!!!
Click!
elder: hello?
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i can't find a thread on this subject yet - if there is one , please delete this one.. the september kingdom ministry has a 4 page insert detailing the 70 alterations in the revelation climax book which is due to be studied at the book study shortly.
i'll provide scans if anyone is interested.. i will leave it up to more experienced analysts to examine the reasons for specific changes , but just a few brief observations for now:.
p32 box - "they were completely exonerated" changed to "charges against them were dropped" - interesting change of terminology for the 1918 watchtower eight.
Wouldn't the very existence of a four page insert of changes be a red flag for a discerning Witness?
Well, yes it would be. However I don't think there are any discerning Witnesses left at this point. And the ones that are still in, that have the mental capacity to realize that things don't just add up, have no doubt by this point, for whatever reason, decided that they will stay in, regardless of how many red flags come up.
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i thought i read somewhere on jwd that the society ended up rejoining the un as an ngo.
is that correct?
i hope i am not going crazy.. thanks, jim whitney
The problem is some have a hard time comprehending what an NGO is, and what the original scandal was all about.
The WT Society is by definition, a Non-Governmental Organization, an NGO. They are an organization, and they are not part of a government. NGO. They have been an NGO, therefore, ever since they were incorporated, and they remain an NGO today.
The issue back in 2001/2 was when it was discovered that the WT had registered with the UN Department of Public Information as an NGO in 1991 and had maintained this relationship for 10 years. This registration required the Watchtower to support and adhere to the goals of the UN. This, of course, was completely hypocritical for them to do.
Now, they are no longer registered with the UN DPI as an NGO, but they still are an NGO, and apparently they still register and show up at various conferences and forums. Quite shocking, I would think, to the average r&f JW, but not the same as being a registered member of the UN DPI.
Hope this helps.
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i just want to go over a couple of topics on my mind and see what you guys all think about it.
i've noticed recently the new change in the blood doctrine and, to me, i interpreted this as the society's way of finally acknowledging the fact that the teaching is too difficult to maintain.
this is like putting a small crack in a submarine so that the water doesn't come rushing in causing people to panic, but with time the ship will still sink.
re: how to format here... are you using Firefox? If so, your paragraphs will run together. I post using Internet Explorer, then I take a brisk shower.
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i auxilary pioneered for a year, then i regular pioneered for 2 years while serving as a ministerial servant.
then i served at bethel for 3 years.
while at bethel i worked harder then i have my hole life.
1. Leave the org. Fade away, DA., whatever works for you. You have already seen how the org works, no matter how much you do, it will never be enough. They will take and take and take, and will give nothing back in return. edited to add: ok, I missed your post where you mentioned you did not want to leave the org, because you thought they had the only accurate teachings about the Bible. Let me guess, you were raised as a JW, so of course as far as you know, they are the most accurate religion, they have pounded that idea into your head your whole life. Do your own research, you will soon see their brand of "truth" is no better than any other, and oftentimes is worse. Besides, your experience with your Bethel overseer should demonstrate the disconnect betweeen what they preach and what they actually do. They talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk.
2. Decide what you want to do with your life. You mention training/education, so perhaps you should look at your options for furthering your education re a career field that interests you and that you may have some background in already(you mentioned some health care work you did at Bethel).
3. Enjoy your freedom.
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here is yet another update on what is going on in my world.
the elder i talked to a while back just couldn't let it be and now want's to have another discussion.
he now wants to meet with with another elder from the hall.
It all depends on what your goal is.
If you want to be DF'd meet with them and tell them everything, Or just DA and get it over with.
If you want to fade, you need to keep your thoughts to yourself. Talking to one elder is risky, meeting with two is a recipe for disaster.
If you are trying to fade, there is no point in you talking to an elder. He is only there to get you back in line, not to listen to your concerns and debate you.
If you are forced into a meeting with them, you need to go into full 'theocratic warfare' mode. This is not a time to be honest, to voice your doubts in the hopes that they will see that your concerns are valid and will treat you mercifully, to think that somehow you can reason with them and sway them to your point of view. Instead, you need to humbly sit there, nod appreciatively, thank them for their 'concern' and vow to take their 'encouragement' to heart. Then show up for a couple meetings, smile a lot, let them think they did their job. Then go back to the fade.
So what do you really want?
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u.s. securities and exchange commission .
washington, d.c. .
litigation release no.
I think your thread title is intentionally misleading... it implies that somehow the entire religion or the WTB&TS is facing charges.
no Digg.
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